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This CPO regrets that product management exists | Tom Verrilli (CPO of Whatnot)

Insightful discussion on the evolving role of product management.

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Context

Tom Verrilli, CPO of Whatnot, discusses his unconventional views on product management and the evolving role of PMs in tech companies.

Key points

  • Tom Verrilli argues that hiring too many product managers can infantilize engineers and designers, who are capable of making good decisions without constant oversight. 0:10
  • Verrilli emphasizes the importance of hiring product managers only when there is a specific need, rather than as a default practice. 0:32
  • He believes that product management should be seen as a trade learned through experience, rather than a qualification. 0:44
  • Verrilli shares that Whatnot hired only one product manager out of over 31,000 applicants, highlighting the selective nature of their hiring process. 1:00
  • He discusses the trend of moving product managers away from organizational management to more individual contributor roles, allowing them to focus on impactful work. 1:19
  • Verrilli explains that AI tools have increased the leverage of individual contributors, enabling them to make quicker, more informed decisions. 12:56
  • He describes the organizational structure at Whatnot, where PMs are reassigned regularly to focus on specific problems rather than being permanently attached to teams. 15:30
  • Verrilli highlights the importance of systems thinking and the ability to see both macro and micro perspectives in product management. 18:44
  • He notes that the best PMs are those who can think strategically and make quick, informed decisions based on data and user insights. 19:00
  • Verrilli shares his view that top-down management can be effective if leaders are well-informed and capable of making specific, correct decisions. 55:57

Quotes

We regret that product management exists.
Hiring so many PMs infantilizes the engineers and the designers.
It's better to not assume we need a PM in every place.
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